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Regenerative Health with Max Gulhane, MD
92. Tristan Scott: How Technology is Harming Children's Health (& What to Do About it)
We discuss how modern technology is negatively impacting children's metabolic, behavioural and neuro-developmental health, as well as benefits of outdoors & sunlight for children, and the potential for a new educational paradigm built on technology that respects our health.
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00:00 Introduction to Technology and Health
03:02 The Impact of Screen Time on Children
06:07 Understanding Blue Light and Its Effects
09:00 The Daylight Computer: A Healthier Alternative
11:54 The Role of Environment in Child Development
14:55 Reforming Education in the Digital Age
26:41 Revolutionizing Education with AI and Nature
29:07 The Power of Nature in Learning and Development
36:44 Harnessing Technology for a Natural Lifestyle
37:56 Healing Through Nature: A Personal Journey
42:25 The Importance of Contemplation and Reflection
44:42 Remembering Our Connection to Nature
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Okay, back on the Regenerative Health Podcast. I'm speaking with Tristan Scott Now. Tristan is a good friend repeat guest. He's an electrical engineer, he is working at Daylight Computer and he's an expert on the health effects of electromagnetic fields. So, tristan, coming to us from a pretty special location, how are you?
Speaker 2:Hey, max, great to talk and catch up. Yeah, I'm off-grid currently in the woods of Wyoming, so this is where technology can actually be a benefit if you take advantage of it. So it's fun to be out here this Sunday morning.
Speaker 1:It's a fascinating statement of where human technology has reached at this point in time, and I think we're going to get into this in this episode about potentially how we can use technology in a less harmful way than it currently is. But maybe let's start with what you're up to. You're a busy guy. You've been on a couple of pretty big podcasts recently. You obviously got a whole lot going on with Daylight, so give the people a bit of an idea about what's new with you.
Speaker 2:What's new? Yeah, I mean the past. I don't know when the exact last time we chatted, but last year, you know, we launched our daily computer in May. I know we did podcasts around then and we have really just been focused on building up the business, fulfilling deliveries from those first orders at launch we sold out, we were sold out for most of last year and now finally catching up to demand. We got kind of inventory on hand for the first time ever, which is exciting.
Speaker 2:You know, working on product development for our roadmap and then also focusing our and we can get into it later a bit but focusing our marketing efforts a bit more and we're channeling that now towards Daylight Kids. It's going to be a new initiative. I'm not sure when this podcast will be out, but in the next 10 days or so we're going to launch a Daylight Kids initiative around focusing the daylight as a healthier iPad alternative for parents, because we think and based on my experience from the past year, talking to more parents, talking to more teachers, educators, superintendents, leaders I don't even need to convince most people anymore in that sphere that that screen time for children is a problem. So that's really exciting. We can talk about that. And, yeah, I've been on some big podcasts. I think it seems like the momentum of the importance of light and the consideration of technology impacting our health is growing Especially. You know, we've been in the space for years now and I think it has reached kind of a new threshold. And talked about people like Dr Roger Schwell. He was on Huberman's podcast as well, so it's certainly become this level of awareness, which is great.
Speaker 2:So, just trying to tap into that, trying to educate people that this stuff matters and what are the easy lifestyle choices that you can do to kind of implement that and what's the 80-20 approach?
Speaker 2:And, yeah, I've been traveling a lot but the last couple few weeks, uh, kind of yeah, late July getting back here in Wyoming and I was wanting to do this for a long time but finally got an off-grid setup and coming to you live from a place with absolutely no service in the national forest. And it's cool because two years ago, three years ago, whenever Starlink Mini came out, like before then this wouldn't be possible. And it's funny because I was initially a big, I would say, proponent against Starlink and all of that and you could say it's a bit nuanced, but in terms of your exposure to non-native EMFs and then your immersion in the real input signals that matter. It really doesn't get better than this. If you need to work, if you are, you know, need to be connected to the internet, especially during the week, so for me it's actually pretty incredible and it's working really well, so it's fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's amazing what you're doing. We'll definitely speak about that. I want to riff on this idea of iPads technology particularly for children, and I'd like to share an anecdote of when I was in medical school. I was in a pediatric outpatient clinic and it was an autism clinic and the one patient was obviously seeing the doctor. He was being placated by his parents' iPhone and the dexterity by which this child was able to navigate YouTube and essentially was skipping using the double tap function on the screen. Ahead of you know, he'd watch about four seconds or less of a video and then double tap again next, next, and it was all completely.
Speaker 1:What is it that YouTube channel like Coco, coco, melon, coco Melon, complete, just crack cocaine for the human baby brain. And what I learned later was that there's actually a diagnosis called virtual autism and obviously he had a diagnosed syndrome. But even children who aren't diagnosed as being neurodivergent, they can display autism-like phenotype when technology and iPads are being used or when they're being removed. So to me this is a massive problem, and that's not even getting into other biological implications of blue light in that critical developmental phase.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it's something that I think people again are aware of. But then you look at the research and you're like, wow, this is, it's not even debatable. And then you look in real life, anecdotally, as you just had an example of, and it's just so bad. And I'm not even often around children, but when I see them traveling and all these things it's it's really scary. And you know the. The research shows that you know, not not autism, for example, but ADHD. If you spend I think it was four to five year olds if they're more than two hours a day of screen time, there's seven X more likely to have like ADHD type symptoms and of course that alone is a spectrum ADHD, but it's like blatantly obvious. And then speech development and overall the correlation between the amount of screen time when they're young and the younger it is, the worse off the outcomes are and then the developmental delays is really undeniable. And this is coming from, you know, the very centralized, the very just, standard pediatric journals. This is not even something fringe, this is known and they don't recommend it and I think it's crazy.
Speaker 2:Now, and the biggest eye opener for me is that in the US I talked to all these superintendents in New Hampshire and I didn't realize that one toto-one learning started as early as kindergarten. They're giving kids Chromebooks when they're six years old in some of these states, and by second grade, by seven, eight years old. It's pretty much ubiquitous across the nation in terms of getting a personal device. And then, of course, the average age of smartphone ownership is around what like eight, nine years old. Now it's it. It's crazy, and you do look at the, the actual facts of how much the electromagnetic inputs affect their biology. And something that's always profound I think people don't realize is that their, their retinas, let in almost 50 percent more blue light. So we're talking and simultaneously they're holding it two to three times closer to their body than we are, so they're getting three to four X increased amount of blue light exposure, which is the most dopaminergic.
Speaker 2:And you combine that with these fast moving frames of cocomelon and these, these entertainment, children and edgy entertainment content that is designed to be addictive, and you no wonder why that captures their entire reality. And there are actually studies that show, I think, for like four to five minutes of watching these types of videos and this type of content, it hijacks their executive function for up to an hour, up to an hour, for just a few minutes of watching that. So they become literally non-human. They're not children anymore because they're watching these pieces of content on these hyper-stimulated devices and we wonder why now, when kids grow up, they have all these mental health, physical health and really they're just like not social beings anymore. And again, I don't need to convince anyone the teachers are extremely concerned, the parents are extremely concerned and they simply just don't have a great alternative or a good option. And it's a combination of the devices, the content and also just the lifestyle habits that everyone's imploring, right, it is.
Speaker 1:And I've observed children who are using these iPads. They're obviously completely engrossed in whatever they're looking at, compared to a child who hasn't been given an iPad at all. And the child that hasn't is actually interacting with his environment or her environment exploring, pushing buttons, trying to climb up things, approaching people, looking in faces, doing everything that a normal child should be doing, which is obviously critical for these developmental milestones. And when the iPad is given, yes, it's often expedient, it's convenient for the parent, this so-called digital babysitter but it's having a real cost and I think the conversation in society we haven't yet essentially gotten to the point where the adult is realizing that there's actually a cost to outsourcing your attention, your care of that child to this digital device.
Speaker 1:And we talk about long-term side effects. I mean, you just referenced this 3x increase in blue light exposure. We know isolated blue light is essentially a photo-oxidizing stimulus Because it is next to UV, it's a very high-energy photon. So what is this doing to the lifetime risk of cataract? Are these people going to get cataracts in the age of 45 if they continue this? There's so many downstream implications that I think as a society we have no idea because it's so novel and it's so intense, it's not like a little bit, as you said, these numbers that people are talking about is that the tech use seems to be going up with age and and by the time they're uh, in teen years they are, you know, eight hours a day or something on on these screens, so uh, and that that's not even including things like airpods and other sources of non-native emf that, um, they're, they're immersed in yeah, I mean it's inherently, I think, cataracts probably the the least concerning thing, right?
Speaker 2:I mean, they're getting these metabolic dysfunction diseases like so young now and we wonder why? And it's because their bodies are developing and optimizing for this artificial, completely, completely artificial reality. So they're getting mitochondrial dysfunction at such an early age when they should be instead taking in input signals to inherently make their biology more robust and optimize for the real world. Instead, they're optimizing for this digital world. And you see it, I mean, yeah, the mental health crises people like Jonathan Haidt wrote about these by the time they're teenagers and since the smartphone era, all this is going through the roof.
Speaker 2:But there's also physical, you know, health conditions.
Speaker 2:The metabolic dysfunction, the, you know, rate of obesity and disease is directly correlated with technology, and I think everyone always points to inactivity physically as the cause for that.
Speaker 2:But, as we know, the light environment the blue light and then the lack of red and infrared drastically affects the metabolic function.
Speaker 2:So these kids are now spending all their time indoors on devices and instead they should be outdoors playing, running around in the sun, barefoot, getting the right stimulus to program their biology for success for the rest of their life, and they're getting the complete opposite. So it's not even they're getting a lack of it, they're getting a lack of it, plus they're getting all the negative inputs and, yeah, things like RFEMF is again. Their bodies are so much smaller, they have higher biological water content, they're just developing cells, so they're inherently like not even 20, 30, 40% more susceptible to negative effects. It's like two, three, potentially five to 10 X, and the younger they are, the higher the sensitivity is, and everyone knows that in terms of sensitivity of young children. But we're not doing enough to protect them and that's inherently, I think, to me the largest concern in society today and why, you know, working so hard to try and offer a solution that's less stimulating and less harmful offer a solution that's less stimulating and less harmful.
Speaker 1:Talk about the properties of this daylight computer and compared to what they're getting when they're looking at an iPad or a smartphone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean inherently iPad, right, it's like a Las Vegas casino, it's a slot machine, right. It has flickering, highly saturated, heavy blue light that cannot be used outdoors. So it's magnetic. It sucks you in. It's designed to do that. That's the business model of big tech companies to keep you on screen on device longer.
Speaker 2:So for a child, I mean, again, don't need to convince anyone here You've seen a two to five year old on an iPad, probably, and they are completely sucked in. And then when you take it away from them, they're so enthralled in that environment they throw a temper tantrum and it's because that's how strong the effect is on their developing minds. And then, of course, you can't use it outside and that's a big piece of childhood, right, being outdoors play-based. So the Daylight is the antithesis of that. It's a paper-like, monochrome display. So think of a Kindle in terms of the experience of it from the stimulation side, but now you can use it as a fully functioning tablet. It has a modified, custom version of Android, so you can use it as a fully functioning tablet, has a modified custom version of Android so you can download any app. It's amazing for reading and writing and note-taking. So for children, it's fantastic, maybe to read on a device for the first time or do note-taking and practice drawing and sketching, depending on the age, but eventually you can download you Classroom, you can download educational apps like Khan Academy and actually learn on them, and it really offers the lowest stimulation solution as a tech product.
Speaker 2:Because, like we started this kind of conversation, technology can be great. I mean, we now have access to almost you know the universe's knowledge at our fingertips. But inherently, these devices are just so distracting over stimulating and social media algorithms are so good now that we don't even tap into that and we just outsource our thinking and attention because we can't help ourselves. So if we remove the medium of the hardware interface being so distracting over stimulating, we can't help ourselves. So if we've removed the medium of the hardware interface being so distracting, overstimulating, we can actually then focus on what technology was originally meant for, and that's just learning and augmenting the human experience. So it's the same for children, right, like we, you know, the whole point of having children is to pass on information to the next generation at a younger age so they can start from a better place and then by the time they're our age, they're going to be, you know, so far beyond innovating and pushing the next frontiers, and that's what you want to do.
Speaker 2:Whenever they're ready for a device, the daylight is there so that it's just purely a tool. It doesn't cry for their attention, it's low stimulation so they can hop on it for 10 minutes, 20 minutes and then time's over. Or I've even seen with my nephew is three and a half. I've seen with other kids like they will purposefully put the daylight down and be like I want to go play outside or a truck goes by and now they're all excited about that because that's how kids work and you want to keep the device. And a parent said this beautifully is like the daylight is more interesting than my son, just like staring at a wall and picking his nose, but it's less interesting than going outside and playing in the backyard. And that's what we want to be and, depending on the age, they're going to use it very, very little, but having something there. Yeah, you're a busy parent, you're cooking dinner.
Speaker 2:A few of our customers love putting on like old school cartoons, like 70s, 80s cartoons that aren't as like, designed to be so fast frame, like Cocomelon and these newer cartoons. They put it on while they're cooking or after dinner, when it's just like wind down time and the parents want to do some work. And I have parents sending me pictures of their children falling asleep watching a cartoon on a daylight. That's amazing because they inherently are going to have a much harder time falling asleep watching Coco, melon or some of these shows on a fully blue lit iPad. And it's because at nighttime we also have the backlight, so that's 100% blue light free, it's 100% flicker free and it's just warm and it's like the campfire that I had last night in front of me here. It's more synergistic with what we would experience at nighttime.
Speaker 2:So then you get the melatonin release which, as we know, for everyone but children specifically, is so important, and studies have shown the suppression of melatonin in younger kids is like 2x that of adults from blue light high energy, visible exposure at nighttime.
Speaker 2:And sleep is the most important thing, and they need to sleep way more.
Speaker 2:So you can have that convenience of something to have them wind down while you're busy or doing work or educational learning environment as well. And then, of course, the best part for me and a lot of parents is they can go outside and use it in the sun, in the backyard barefoot, and read something or do their homework or do some very basic things for a bit while they're outside and still getting the benefits of being on technology in terms of having access to this wide, vast of information and educational tools. So we're just getting started there, but it's really encouraging to see, and I think we have dozens of parents who are only using the daylight for their kids instead of iPads and they love it so far, but we're hoping to turn that into hundreds and thousands very soon with this new initiative, and I think it's really just an educational thing to get in front of parents that they realize this is an opportunity. And then you talk about the big one, of course, in schools and educational platforms in person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the last point I'll make about the negative health effects because I don't want to focus this too much on the Duma aspect of it. But the pediatric outpatient clinic in my local area, all their books are closed, all of the public. Pediatricians aren't seeing patients for more than a year and I think that a critical part of this is this melatonin suppression by blue light at night. Because what is happening, as Tristan alluded to, is that the child looks at the iPad. It's saturated with this high energy visible light, this massive blue peak. It activates all the melanopsin in that child's retina and it essentially turns off their sleep hormone. It turns off their body's ability to enter deep and restful sleep.
Speaker 1:So they have behavioral issues because they're poorly rested, they're full spectrum sunlight deficient during night, they're sleep deficient and melatonin deficient during nighttime. They go to the pediatrician because they are having defiant behaviors and all kinds of other developmental and behavioral issues and then they get put on supplemental melatonin as well as probably fluoxetine and sometimes even risperidone, so antidepressant, antipsychotic medications, and it's a cycle. It's a vicious cycle where they become and then later on perhaps they also get put on dexamphetamine, um, methylphenidate for for stimulant effect. So they almost get intercepted into a cycle of pharmaceutical treatment for neurodevelopmental issues and behavioral issues which have their genesis in a excess of blue light at night, a disrupted circadian rhythm, a lack of full-spectrum sunlight. The critical problem here is their light exposures, their device use. I empathize in many ways with parents because they're so exasperated that the only thing they can do is give them this device. But it's like a Faustian pact. It's a short-term relief, but really they're, they're, they're harming their child um in in the long term um yeah what?
Speaker 1:what?
Speaker 2:this is sorry, go on yeah, I was just gonna say it's, it's, it's very relatable and it's not. You know it's, it's, it's the environmental conditions, right, and it's like we went indoors and the schooling and the light environment there is horrible. Or daycare, wherever these kids are at, they're not, for they're first off, not spending enough time outdoors, like went indoors and the schooling and the light environment there is horrible. Or daycare, wherever these kids are at, they're not, for they're first off, not spending enough time outdoors. Like, forget about the devices completely.
Speaker 2:Um, this was already happening, um, from the turn of of the the 21st century, and has been exacerbated by technology. But let alone, they're sitting under fluorescent lights all day in a desk. Not enough playtime, the parents are busy, they don't have enough time to get them outdoors, and then you give them the device. It's like the cherry on top that is just pushing them so over the threshold. And now the problem is, when they even do have the free time, they don't even want to be outside anymore because it's so much less attractive, because their dopamine has been so captured by these devices and that reality and they're desensitized. So now everything else is not as exciting and that's to me the biggest tragedy, right, and I think that's why you've seen so many parents clap back and they're just like no devices at all until they're like six or eight, or I mean even 12 or 13, and I support that fully like, if you are of that mindset, we're not here to sell you like daylights when you're not ready for it.
Speaker 2:The whole premise is, eventually and inevitably, it is very important for childhood development to be in this technological, digital world, but to access it responsibly and still be able to have the outdoors. The natural world is the main show for kids, even if they're teenagers. They should be just like riding around town on bikes and just walking around, you know, like 10, 11 year olds, and in some places in the U S you never see that anymore. It's like foreign. So it's it's amazing to see that out here, and that's why I just want to it or teachers, because that is necessary at a certain point.
Speaker 2:However, if you don't do the other things, if you don't get them outside, if you don't have a better light environment, and sometimes you can't control it if you're in public or private school, so really put emphasis on on the weekends or after school time, like like it's.
Speaker 2:It's part of the entire equation that needs to shift and I am excited because, being in this now education world, I would say for the first time maybe since education started in terms of this factory, almost factory-based education model in the 20th century and you can debate the origins of that but really we're seeing a shift in education for the first time, I think, in a very, very long time, because of COVID, because of homeschooling is skyrocketing in popularity and because of this access to information and now you know you can use AI tools and things for teaching and tutoring and some people are like that's not great, some people are concerned, but it's with everything here. Technology, if you use it responsibly, it's extremely, extremely valuable to development, to education, to learning, and we now have this newfound freedom. So I think it's really exciting and we're just on the precipice of it, but, like education is actually reforming for the first time, you know, in this modern world since it started to be kind of the standard approach from maybe a hundred years ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm so glad you raised that, because, let's, I want to riff on this. I want to add some color to the picture you've just painted. I mean, the modern education system essentially evolved to provide compliant worker drones for an industrial revolution. You cram all the kids into a room in lines of desks, they all have to face the front and they have something like eight hours historically copying lines off the blackboard. With these tools that we now have, I think the future is so bright for people who are aware of these issues, because what I've envisioned is outdoor learning.
Speaker 1:I think the Germans had a couple of forest school concepts. Maybe it was Rudolf Steiner. Everyone has their bare feet on the ground, everyone is surrounded by greenery, so they're getting massive amounts of near-infrared light, which we know from Zimmerman and Ryder's work, is essentially being concentrated into the deep regions of the brain by the cerebrospinal fluid. They are using AI tools to tailor a really appropriate and advanced curriculum at the speed of that student. Suddenly, you are completely flipping the book on modern education. They're not under this artificial light, they're not sitting under a Wi-Fi router and they're probably not even spending that many hours a day learning. They don't need to be there for eight hours. You could do the learning in an hour and a half, two hours and then rest of the time. You know, be a human.
Speaker 2:Just going out and play. Yeah, play-based childhood right, it's crazy and that's where I want to put that emphasis on Like it's so insane. I think that threshold to me is like they're getting Chromebooks at six to eight years old, when I think, even until they're like pure teenagers the majority of their time and that's yeah. Again, what the professionals recommend and this isn't fringe is like is play based childhood is outdoors, and then, yeah, you do progressively more and more learning over time. But them being out here, um, I'm like I don't even know what all these trees are or all the fish that you know we're catching here, the different variations, and it's like that's education. It's like what happened to being masters of our local environment and understanding the impact there.
Speaker 2:There's a world of education to be had in the physical realm and I think delaying the digital and being very strategic and targeted with it is really the key. But, yeah, it's exciting. I mean, I'm very excited about it and I think a lot of people are waking up to it and to me, that's why we're focused on it at Daylight, because this is where we can have the largest impact, right, like it's beneficial from our business, of course, because we can be the most successful, but the reason we can be the most successful is because it's authentic, we're the most passionate about it and we can have the largest impact. Talk about the next generation, setting them up for success instead of failure. I mean that to me, is like that should be the number one issue in society to figure out, because if we don't do that, then the future of the human race is pretty bleak. Right Like, our children are everything and we need to start acting like responsible adults when it comes to how we're raising and educating our children.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. Let's pivot to what you're doing and how you're enabling to speak to me right now, because for the listener you know, I you're in the backwoods of wyoming and there's no lag on this conversation that we're doing. So we're talking at 720p quality and I'm hearing you perfectly well, I'm seeing you perfectly well. So how is this even possible with, with this current setup that you've got?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, the one thing well, it depends on your opinion of him that Elon has done well is Starlink. So there is thousands of low Earth orbit LEO satellites, which again has a debatable effect on our galactic presence. But it allows me to have perfect internet out here, as long as you have a line of sight through trees. So it's actually funny. I have, like, the tailgate of my car open to make sure I can get a straight shot through the trees here. Um, but once you have line of sight, you can get, you know, perfect internet and the benefit. Even because I was, you know, I was concerned at first. I was like we're getting irradiated without consent when you go into nature. You should just be off offline. That's the whole point. But of course is now I'm, like you know, extremely busy running a startup, 12-hour work days constantly. I'm like, okay, if I'm gonna be staring at a screen all day long and on meetings and just working in this digital world, I need to be immersed in the natural world simultaneously. That's the only way this is going to work and that's kind of what this enables. So it's fantastic and I'll get into the EMF piece a bit. But I have a thousand watt hour, one kilowatt hour battery pack and 200 watts of solar. So I've been out here over a week straight now and I have not needed to put on any gas generator, I've not needed to turn on my car even, and my battery packs are like 70% just using renewable energy from the sun, which Wyoming is very sunny. Um, it's nice that this works out and that's powering the Starlink mini, it's recharging my devices and, yeah, it's fantastic.
Speaker 2:And you can hardwire. So, um, you can hardwire the internet right from the Starlink so that you're getting just ethernet. So that's what I do and you can. You can disable the wi-fi antennas on on the starlink mini as well. You have to be careful because that does require a factory reset. So once you do it, you're like locked into no wi-fi.
Speaker 2:But even when I measure I brought my emf meters out here and I'm not sure exactly, but it seems like the Wi-Fi antenna on the Starlink is not as strong as like a normal router. So the EMF reading when I came out well, first off, when I came out here, I took my RF EMF meter. The baseline is zero. It's like maybe it peaks to like 0.01 microwatts per meter, squared every like 20 seconds. But that's what I want people to understand. The 200 megahertz to eight gigahertz range that I measure on the safe and sound pro two meter, it's zero out here. That's the natural baseline.
Speaker 2:And then I turned on the Starlink mini and again I'm not I'm not actually that far away from like 15 feet away from it. And even when I turned it on and I have it on with the Wi Fi like still enabled, it's like 30 to 50 microwatts per meter squared, which is really really low. It's still in that green zone of the safe and sound pro two. So I'm thinking the Wi Fi antenna is like pretty like weak in comparison because most people are going to use it in very close proximity. It's not for like hey, if you have a starlink mini, it's probably going to be like in your campground, in your sprinter van or potentially like just right next to you. So they're not, they're not optimizing for range.
Speaker 2:Uh, so I've noticed that the RF output, even if you're just with Wi-Fi, is very low. Actually, 30 to 50 microwatts per meter squared is the baseline of my house in Wyoming. When I have nothing on, when I'm airplane mode, everything, no Wi-Fi just from the residual RF from cellular communications and this is in a very small town. If you're in the city, your baseline is probably going to be 5x that, even 10x that, even if you have everything off. So there's again levels to all of this.
Speaker 2:And what you can do is, if you don't want to factory reset and disable the Wi Fi, you can kind of do what I've been doing is just Ethernet to your device. So then your device isn't emitting anything, because it's actually the devices that are more important than the router itself, right? So if you Ethernet and actually are sitting in front of a MacBook or a daylight or your phone all day and that's on airplane mode and just getting Ethernet internet, then you're I mean you're you're lowering your, your RF so much and you can get like DC again, everything's DC, the battery's DC, the solar's DC and you can power all your electronics, the Starlink, all DC. The reason why we plug into our AC power grid is just because that's the electricity source. So it's nice having a full DC setup because, because you don't get the emfs from the switching power supplies and the rectification of going from ac to dc, now there's not, there's still a dc magnetic field exposure. So you still want to like put distance between you and and devices, but it's really great.
Speaker 2:So you're pretty much reducing all of the noise while you're simultaneously augmenting the signal, the real input signals from nature, the earth's natural magnetic field, the I mean the beneficial aromatic compounds, the negative ions in the air, the negative ions from the ground and the solar spectrum is. I mean, it's full blast out here and I'm not sitting out here getting fried in, you know, high UV summer at I'm not 9 000 feet of elevation, almost 3 000 meters as well, but there's so much um, you know, shade here as well, and trees, and then again, as you already mentioned, the near infrared exposure is is through the roof because of all the greenery and it's just like wow, I'm sitting out here. I had a buddy visit me too. He's like. He's like this, is it man? This is like. He's like you figured it out, because I think everyone's yearning right Like that work environment is.
Speaker 2:So it's such a drag, but if we can somehow figure out how to become synergistic with our natural world and still be in the digital medium, that to me is the biggest unlock. So I know people in sprinter vans kind of do this, but I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes like extremely Sprinter vans kind of do this. But I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes like extremely, extremely popular in the coming years and I'm certainly my goal is to spend 75% of days and nights up until mid-October doing this and I need to kind of get a few more things. But we're talking about a reasonably affordable setup. I mean, people spend five grand on a rooftop tent, they spend a hundred grand on a sprinter van and all this overlanding stuff and for a couple of grand you can get a Starlink Mini, a battery pack and, you know, camp chairs, solar tables. It's really affordable in my opinion.
Speaker 1:Maybe, if you have time, you could write a quick sub stack with your setup. I'm sure people would love to see the breakdown of the products so they can get into that.
Speaker 2:It's a Jackery, like one kilowatt hour combo with the 200 watts of solar. You can literally buy it on Amazon for I think it was like $650 US and the rest, yeah, starlink Mini. So that's. It's pretty simple. It's pretty simple. The rest is like my hodgepodge of camping equipment that needs to be upgraded. And yeah, I got a bow and arrow out here practicing for hunting season. I got a kettlebell and mace and chopping firewood.
Speaker 1:It just feels so right that this is how we'd spend our off moments, right, so it's great the the some of my followers who've aware of you and have followed you from the beginning maybe your initial podcasts and your talk at regenerate would know that your entry point into this health space was a post-concussive syndrome and essentially having to heal yourself of a neurological injury. How are you? Do you get any symptoms? I'm guessing that they're pretty minimal when you're outside in this environment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel incredible. I've also been doing some more intense trail running, hiking, training for a big summit. I got coming up here in a couple of highest point in wyoming. It's like 70 kilometers and 9 000 feet of elevation game in one day. But I, the first day I got up here, you know, I did like a 16 mile trail run and you definitely feel the elevation.
Speaker 2:But even with that I I still felt like my nervous system just so relaxed, like just able to take a deep breath and since then, as I'm fully acclimatized to the elevation, sleeping out here, the temperature as well it's, it's cooler, so it's like 35, 40 c in my town and I just was like not having that anymore. I was like I need to cool off and go to the mountains and that's kind of what you know. That's. That's the traditional, um, kind of cyclicality of how it would go, like you can't come up here and in January it's actually you can't even drive up here. The roads are closed and it's full on winter, but in the summer this is where life is most abundant, um, and in the plains it actually becomes less abundant. So it's like as humans we would follow the sprawling life that exists and I feel so much better. I sleep really well.
Speaker 2:I mean, again, the nervous system just feels so relaxed. And to me that's what it's all about, because I am quote unquote sensitive and I think everyone who dials in their health inherently becomes more sensitive. I've made this argument recently that I think this is kind of a sometimes a negative connotation in the health space, like, oh, you become sensitive and maybe less resilient. It's like no, no, no. Sensitivity is the essence of being alive as a human and we have become so desensitized to our environment then we no longer have this like magical intuition, we no longer have this appreciation for what is real and the devices, the technology, these artificial environments have desensitized us. So when you can remove yourself from that and put yourself back into what really matters, you feel so much better. Your nervous system relaxes. You don't feel that pull Like, yeah, I have my iPhone here, I have access to social media. I'd rather go walk around the lake that's a hundred feet away or like catch some fish or go for a run, and there aren't like the ultra bright, saturated colors here. There's like the realistic color palette, but there's a landscape that's so captivating that this is what really we're meant to take in as, like, the dopaminergic signals. And that's where you really need to reset your baseline in order to feel that. And I think it's incredible and when you can really tap into it it almost becomes a superpower to have that sensitivity and intuition come back into your life.
Speaker 2:And I think that is really what technology has eroded, along with this complete elimination of moments, free moments of thought, like we don't have any free moments anymore to just think and look back and reflect and be like, okay, whatever I'm working on, whether it's personal growth, whether it's business growth, whether it's just education, like so many brilliant ideas come from and so many philosophers, so many great leaders they didn't spend all their day just like working.
Speaker 2:They spent so much of their time contemplating, reflecting and thinking. And now it's extremely challenging to do that. And I find being in a very natural setting, like I wake up at 7am and sometimes I don't start, I don't turn Starlink on until 9am, or I wake up at 6.30am and I don't start working until 8.39am, because I spend the first hour and a half like walking around, being in nature, gathering firewood, shooting my bow, making breakfast, and that allows me to really reflect on what I'm going to do for the day, the past few days of work, personal growth and then just the appreciation for what matters, and I find my nervous system and my overall health is so much better off because of that. So yeah, I don't really have any negative effects, other than when I go run up to 12,000 feet or 13,000 feet. Of course I get hypoxic and a bit worn from that, but that's, I think, quite normal.
Speaker 1:So yeah, yeah, so hormetic, beneficial stress. But the point about contemplation anyone who's done even a little bit of meditation has noticed that thought springs from the stillness when you're doing nothing, when your mind is clear. You can have some of your best ideas in that stillness and, just like you, hiking in nature, usually by myself, with no one else, is when I've gotten the most clarity and the most breakthrough when it comes to everything that you've talked about, all those little different domains of life. About a month ago we did our circadian living retreat and we were teaching people a lot of what you right now Living Retreat, and we were teaching people a lot of what you right now, tristan, are doing just naturally in this setup that you've got in the middle of the backwards there, and not everyone. I guess the message here is not everyone potentially can go the whole hog at this point, but if you can work towards a setup, a lifestyle, a routine that includes just more of these components, then you are going to be doing so much better for your health, for your cognitive function, for your inner peace, uh, than simply being, you know, trapped inside and it's uh, it's, it's like.
Speaker 1:It's like reteaching people how to be a savage human and a wild human, and when I say that to people they kind of look at me a bit funny. But that is the process of a lot of what this health story is, this mitochondrial story. It's how do you give your mitochondrial colony what they want? Well, you have to be a savage human again, you have to be in touch with the light-dark cycles, you have to have your bare feet on the earth, you have to jump in the cold water in the morning and eat some of that locally harvested game during the day. It's a remembering, and I think that's one of the catch lines of Dr Paul Sardino. I know who you spoke to recently is is the? Is the remembering? So and yeah, any, any, uh, maybe talk a little bit about, um, yeah, your, your, your thoughts about that and how this message is potentially getting out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I mean, I, I totally understand that. I mean people probably look at me and they think, like a lot of this is completely unrealistic. And you know, I've been working towards this for years and years and I'm very thankful I have a remote job and, to be honest, this is like on brand for daylight, right. So it's very, very fortunate. But what I want to always preface is that you can be a weekend warrior and get a vast majority of these benefits Even if you're working nine to five in office, I mean, even if your kids are in school as well. It's the same thing, right, and a lot of these studies, like the CU Boulder study about a circadian reset from just one weekend camping. I read another study yesterday or Friday that said the same thing about natural killer cells in your immune system can increase 50% by forest bathing. This is a Japanese study. I've been going down this. Like you know, air ionization benefits of being in the forest, rabbit holes, and it goes beyond just red light and grounding, like it's so multi-dimensional and we don't even really understand. But most of the data suggests that two to three days out in the wilderness really carries through for kind of, the rest of the week if you want to say so, if you're constantly like prioritizing your weekends to be immersed in nature and then during the week doing the best that you can, that is huge. I mean that's like a step function increase in being exposed. And yeah, it's also funny I was talking with my friend here. It's.
Speaker 2:It is crazy because not very long ago we were just living pretty much outside I mean the West and the U? S is a prime example where, like uh, it was, it was crazy. I mean people were up here just hunting for trading, um. But we have this luxury now to where it's it's much safer actually to be out in the wilderness or you can have that kind of relaxed nervous system because I don't really have a super high fear of, you know, running into another human that could potentially kill me, because that's what used to happen like 150 years ago. Or I am aware of, like the wilderness and the wildlife that could potentially harm me.
Speaker 2:And, worst case, I do have internet, I do have like a satellite in reach and I am close enough to population centers to where I know it'll be all right and I'm not going to run out of food because I can stock up and then come out here, supplement with with locally caught trout, or or or or or game, and I think that's, that's massive, because that's like it's really for the first time, um, we're, we're able to do that, um, so, yeah, I, I would implore everyone to just try and spend as much time as as possible out outdoors, and especially in the months, where, um, it's, it's really nice and and we just get back into that cyclicality of life and that is the remembering and the human spirit and kind of generational knowledge is really that's what it's here, it's not in these artificial environments, and we really lose what it is to be human when we're just so caught up in, we're so up in the day-to-day and then we're so caught up in these artificial environments.
Speaker 2:So it's, yeah, it is a remembering, but it's, uh, it's also just fun to, I think, let loose a bit and really tap into to what is real yeah, amen to that and maybe we'll wrap up.
Speaker 1:I think this has been a great exposition and justification of why people should be more intentional about their light exposures, their interactions, the indoor environment, the outdoor environments. So where, where can people learn about, I mean, the more about the day? You go to the daylight website? I've actually got a link. You can go to my link tree. You can buy yourself a daylight on on my uh, on my uh link tree. Well, how else can people kind of find out more about this?
Speaker 2:yeah, so we're gonna launch kidsdaylightcomputercom. So that's gonna be a whole new website, a kids bundle, like education and also anecdotal kind of experiences for parents, um, with a kid's case, and you know different stylists. So that's coming in the next week, so, depending on when this comes out, but end of August and there'll be a lot more coming on that front and socials. But, yeah, dailycomputercom is the main website and you can go there. We have inventory shipped in a couple of days and then, yeah, I'm on socials trying to inventory shifts in a couple days and then, yeah, I'm on socials trying to. I have this really aversion to trying to regularly be back posting on social media because it does suck you in so much, but I'm trying to educate more on the benefits of outdoors and once the kids stuff launches, definitely going to be posting more about that aspect as well. Um, so, yeah, twitter at Bitcoin underscore beef still and Tristan underscore health on Instagram and at Daylight Co on social. So, yeah, that's a priority and I'm really excited. So appreciate the catch up chat Max.
Speaker 1:Cool, awesome, well, everyone's got that info. So, yeah, check it out and hopefully we can start changing things, changing the way humanity and the next generation interacts with light and hopefully push that into a positive way. So thanks, tristan, and enjoy the backwoods of Wyoming. Thanks, man Will do.
